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		<title>By: Nagraj</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Nagraj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2004 20:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super Blog !!!!!  One of the best  South Asian blogs I have seen

My blog : http://www.nagraj.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super Blog !!!!!  One of the best  South Asian blogs I have seen</p>
<p>My blog : <a href="http://www.nagraj.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nagraj.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Winds of Change.NET</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Winds of Change.NET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Robi &amp; Nitin&#039;s Subcontinent Survey: 2004-11-26&lt;/strong&gt;
The Kashmir Potboiler; What Condoleezza Rice means to South Asia; India adopts Bush strategies in tackling terror; Pakistan makes some important decisions; Bangladesh and refugees; Shifting Alliances; Looking for good South Asian blogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robi &#038; Nitin&#8217;s Subcontinent Survey: 2004-11-26</strong><br />
The Kashmir Potboiler; What Condoleezza Rice means to South Asia; India adopts Bush strategies in tackling terror; Pakistan makes some important decisions; Bangladesh and refugees; Shifting Alliances; Looking for good South Asian blogs?</p>
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		<title>By: Winds of Change.NET</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Winds of Change.NET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Robi &amp; Nitin&#039;s Subcontinent Survey: 2004-11-26&lt;/strong&gt;
The Kashmir Potboiler; What Condoleezza Rice means to South Asia; India adopts Bush strategies in tackling terror; Pakistan makes some important decisions; Bangladesh and refugees; Shifting Alliances; Looking for good South Asian blogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robi &#038; Nitin&#8217;s Subcontinent Survey: 2004-11-26</strong><br />
The Kashmir Potboiler; What Condoleezza Rice means to South Asia; India adopts Bush strategies in tackling terror; Pakistan makes some important decisions; Bangladesh and refugees; Shifting Alliances; Looking for good South Asian blogs?</p>
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		<title>By: Winds of Change.NET</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>Winds of Change.NET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Robi &amp; Nitin&#039;s Subcontinent Survey: 2004-11-26&lt;/strong&gt;
The Kashmir Potboiler; What Condoleezza Rice means to South Asia; India adopts Bush strategies in tackling terror; Pakistan makes some important decisions; Bangladesh and refugees; Shifting Alliances; Looking for good South Asian blogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Robi &#038; Nitin&#8217;s Subcontinent Survey: 2004-11-26</strong><br />
The Kashmir Potboiler; What Condoleezza Rice means to South Asia; India adopts Bush strategies in tackling terror; Pakistan makes some important decisions; Bangladesh and refugees; Shifting Alliances; Looking for good South Asian blogs?</p>
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		<title>By: ninad pandit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ninad pandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if anyone read the links i had given in my post. I thought it answered all questions of Astroturf and hari patriyaan and the multiple-copy cows. in the meantime, i shall look for simpler ways to explain this to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if anyone read the links i had given in my post. I thought it answered all questions of Astroturf and hari patriyaan and the multiple-copy cows. in the meantime, i shall look for simpler ways to explain this to you.</p>
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		<title>By: ninad pandit</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator>ninad pandit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Anyone even glanced through the weblinks that i had provided on my blog. Maybe going to my blog was too painful, so i am just posting the same one here again.
I thought it solved all the questions of Astroturf or the &#039;hari patriyaan&#039;. Funny thing is, I have never said that it is &#039;real&#039;, it is &#039;as real&#039; as any other representation. 
QUOTE:
Well well. the action on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/archives/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/&quot;&gt;Bharatiya Blog Mela&lt;/a&gt; seems to be hotting up, with Atul Arora actually calling my &lt;a href=&quot;http://fatarchitecture.blogspot.com/2004/11/mathura-of-cows.html&quot;&gt;Mathura post &lt;/a&gt;a digital gimmick and therefore &quot;false&quot;. The idea of any photograph being &quot;true&quot;/&quot;real&quot; or &quot;false&quot; belongs to a really old debate that has changed the way we have created, understood and critiqued art in the first place (or at least for a long time now). An extremely simplified verion of this history can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://humanitiesweb.org/perl/human.cgi?s=g&amp;p=a&amp;a=i&amp;ID=514&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

One of the most important texts ever written about Photgraphy, and reality (or lack thereof) in it is Camera Lucida by Roland Barthes. I wish I could read out parts of it to you, but this will have to do: &lt;a href=&quot;http://humanitiesweb.org/perl/human.cgi?s=g&amp;p=a&amp;a=i&amp;ID=514&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; &amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0374521344/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-9323388-7234206?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;v=glance&quot;&gt;Amazon&lt;/a&gt;. This should take care of the &#039;unreal&#039; or &#039;false&#039; nature of my image.

The idea of my image itself is a bit more difficult to explain, but the simplest argument would perhaps be, i saw something and made this image. If you could believe me, it is as &#039;true&#039; a representation of what i saw as any &#039;real photograph&#039;. Incidentally, i don&#039;t really have too many problems with the large number of cows and other such cattle that proliferate in our lives in India. But I did love the way the railway employee justified the existence of those cows.

I would like to know what you think about Art, and Digital Art though, Atul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Anyone even glanced through the weblinks that i had provided on my blog. Maybe going to my blog was too painful, so i am just posting the same one here again.<br />
I thought it solved all the questions of Astroturf or the &#8216;hari patriyaan&#8217;. Funny thing is, I have never said that it is &#8216;real&#8217;, it is &#8216;as real&#8217; as any other representation.<br />
QUOTE:<br />
Well well. the action on the <a href="http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/archives/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/">Bharatiya Blog Mela</a> seems to be hotting up, with Atul Arora actually calling my <a href="http://fatarchitecture.blogspot.com/2004/11/mathura-of-cows.html">Mathura post </a>a digital gimmick and therefore &#8220;false&#8221;. The idea of any photograph being &#8220;true&#8221;/&#8221;real&#8221; or &#8220;false&#8221; belongs to a really old debate that has changed the way we have created, understood and critiqued art in the first place (or at least for a long time now). An extremely simplified verion of this history can be found <a href="http://humanitiesweb.org/perl/human.cgi?s=g&#038;p=a&amp;a=i&#038;ID=514">here</a></p>
<p>One of the most important texts ever written about Photgraphy, and reality (or lack thereof) in it is Camera Lucida by Roland Barthes. I wish I could read out parts of it to you, but this will have to do: <a href="http://humanitiesweb.org/perl/human.cgi?s=g&amp;p=a&amp;a=i&#038;ID=514">Wikipedia</a> &amp; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0374521344/ref=pd_sim_b_2/103-9323388-7234206?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;v=glance">Amazon</a>. This should take care of the &#8216;unreal&#8217; or &#8216;false&#8217; nature of my image.</p>
<p>The idea of my image itself is a bit more difficult to explain, but the simplest argument would perhaps be, i saw something and made this image. If you could believe me, it is as &#8216;true&#8217; a representation of what i saw as any &#8216;real photograph&#8217;. Incidentally, i don&#8217;t really have too many problems with the large number of cows and other such cattle that proliferate in our lives in India. But I did love the way the railway employee justified the existence of those cows.</p>
<p>I would like to know what you think about Art, and Digital Art though, Atul.</p>
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		<title>By: Jitendra Chaudhary</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Jitendra Chaudhary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Pandit...

u agree or disagree, but i can prove that the image shown on your blog is fake....Why?

1) All cows are ditto same , only sizes are different... Can u find  two similar cows at one place?
2) Railway Track is Quite green, just like Astroturf...u may say this could be a mansoon time....but just have a look at Tree behind padestrian bridge? there are no signs of greenery. It indicates bout some other season.
3) Even in mansoon time, u would not find such greenery in  Rly Stn&#039;s tracks at Mathura.

What do u say now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Pandit&#8230;</p>
<p>u agree or disagree, but i can prove that the image shown on your blog is fake&#8230;.Why?</p>
<p>1) All cows are ditto same , only sizes are different&#8230; Can u find  two similar cows at one place?<br />
2) Railway Track is Quite green, just like Astroturf&#8230;u may say this could be a mansoon time&#8230;.but just have a look at Tree behind padestrian bridge? there are no signs of greenery. It indicates bout some other season.<br />
3) Even in mansoon time, u would not find such greenery in  Rly Stn&#8217;s tracks at Mathura.</p>
<p>What do u say now?</p>
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		<title>By: Yazad</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Yazad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heya, do shout when you get to amchi-Mumbai and we could perhaps have a Bombay Blog Bash!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya, do shout when you get to amchi-Mumbai and we could perhaps have a Bombay Blog Bash!</p>
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		<title>By: Jitendra Chaudhary</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Jitendra Chaudhary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>मथुरा की गाय वाले लेख पर कुछ कहना है

का हो पन्डितजी,
हमरे मथुरा मे इत्ते हरे हरे रेलवा की पटिरिया नाही होती....का है इ सब?
और तनिक बताया जाय कि इ डेनमार्क की गइया इहा का कर रही है?

हमरी गइया मइया एसन नही दिखती</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>मथुरा की गाय वाले लेख पर कुछ कहना है</p>
<p>का हो पन्डितजी,<br />
हमरे मथुरा मे इत्ते हरे हरे रेलवा की पटिरिया नाही होती&#8230;.का है इ सब?<br />
और तनिक बताया जाय कि इ डेनमार्क की गइया इहा का कर रही है?</p>
<p>हमरी गइया मइया एसन नही दिखती</p>
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		<title>By: towards fat architecture</title>
		<link>http://www.opti-mystic.net/blog/2004/11/12/bharateeya-blog-mela-diwali-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>towards fat architecture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Well well.&lt;/strong&gt;
As this commenting doesn&#039;t support html links, i had to post a response on my blog. Please visit it for my side of the argument.
http://fatarchitecture.blogspot.com/2004/11/well-well.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Well well.</strong><br />
As this commenting doesn&#8217;t support html links, i had to post a response on my blog. Please visit it for my side of the argument.<br />
<a href="http://fatarchitecture.blogspot.com/2004/11/well-well.html" rel="nofollow">http://fatarchitecture.blogspot.com/2004/11/well-well.html</a></p>
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